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My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 9:23 AM

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Isn't it a little much to require ciitzens to shovel snow within 4 hours of the last snowflake or else? I think so. NYC is being mean and greedy imo (especially being they have been slow to remove snow this year). Do you think so??

New York City Issued More Than 2,500 Tickets To Residents Who Didn’t Shovel Ice And Snow

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On one snowy stretch of 48th St. in Borough Park, Brooklyn, an inch of black ice in front of four adjacent homes yesterday sent passersby slipping and sliding.

“This is against Jewish law,” railed Meir Shalom Rosenberg, 58, after he almost fell. “By not shoveling, they are causing people to get hurt.”

Property owners have to clear ice and snow from their sidewalks within...

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 9:25 AM

Freeborn,
You have to consider the fact that NYC is being run by a Blooming Idiot, Bloomburg.

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 11:17 AM

I know most states have those laws, but given the magnitude of these storms and the cities slowness in clearing the snow off the roads, I think it's ridiculous to issue those tickets. To be fair, it does say they waited 5 days to issue the tickets, but anyone that has dealt with ice and snow know how difficult it is to shovel and break up. What about the elderly who are physically unable to shovel? the snowplows throw snow up on them I am sure, making it even harder to shovel. Stuff like this makes me so happy that we live in the boonies and don't have to deal with that stuff! We have a man that plows our driveway, for our convenience, not because of the state or county.

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 12:48 PM

Not sure I don't agree with the fines....but, Bloomberg is a socialist @!$#$ either way. He isn't the one issuing the tickets however.

I only responded to this because it reminded me of another similar situation. We had a major snow storm in Baltimore last week. Usually, our development has a very good plowing service but for some reason after this storm, they only did a preliminary plow and didn't come back as they usually do to clean it up better. I park my car on the street because we leave at different times so I keep it out of the driveway. I shoveled out my car on the street and now when I come home, my neighbor parks there before I get home. Nothing like clearing out a space for someone else to use..... I thought about parking in his driveway instead but it would have the same effect as telling him to shovel his own spot!

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 1:16 PM

The problem is New York City is not Salt Lake City or Rapid City, NYC is filled with a bunch of whinny azz liberals who expect someone else to provide for them, namely government. They will not get up off their lazy azzes and clean off their side walks unless you make them. These laws are passed because there was a problem in NYC with people not taking care of their responsibilities. If you have respectful, responsibile citizens you don't need laws like these.

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My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 1:28 PM

Freeborn61 wrote:

Isn't it a little much to require ciitzens to shovel snow within 4 hours of the last snowflake or else? I think so. NYC is being mean and greedy imo (especially being they have been slow to remove snow this year). Do you think so??

New York City Issued More Than 2,500 Tickets To Residents Who Didn’t Shovel Ice And Snow

Quote:

On one snowy stretch of 48th St. in Borough Park, Brooklyn, an inch of black ice in front of four adjacent homes yesterday sent passersby slipping and sliding.

“This is against Jewish law,” railed Meir Shalom Rosenberg, 58, after he almost fell. “By not shoveling, they are causing people to get hurt.”

Property owners have to clear ice and snow from their sidewalks within...

I absolutely agree with this law and those fines. Especially in Manhattan, and in areas in the other boroughs where people need to take routes to the subway or buses on foot. It costs the city millions of dollars a year in slip and fall lawsuits because the process of holding the homeowner/property owner liable for the injury because of negligence in maintaining the outside/public sidewalk area attached to their property is extremely complicated and time consuming. Years and years of litigation.

If you live in the Northeast, you have to assume that their will be a lot of snow. It's not a big deal. More importantly, millions of businesses pay a fortune every season to retain snow plowing contracts to ensure safe snow free/ice free walking areas/ and parking lots. They get fines in the hundreds of thousands and they can pay personal injury lawsuits. If you are elderly, you have to commission the help of someone to keep your sidewalk clear. My husband does snow plowing in New Jersey as a side business and it's been a good winter! But he has horror stories of areas where people try to walk over piles of snow at intersections and fall under parked cars. They are taking the risk to attempt to navigate through a dangerous surface, but the ultimate responsibility lies on the home/business owners, NOT THE CITY, to shovel walkways and sidewalks. You can't send a city plow down a sidewalk and you can't expect EMS to get into your home when you have three feet of snow in front of it.

If you live in the Northeast, be prepared to shovel or pay the city big time. Especially if someone gets hurt for negligence. And I agree, completely!!

Anne Marie

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 1:53 PM

sidneyworld wrote:
Freeborn61 wrote:

Isn't it a little much to require ciitzens to shovel snow within 4 hours of the last snowflake or else? I think so. NYC is being mean and greedy imo (especially being they have been slow to remove snow this year). Do you think so??

New York City Issued More Than 2,500 Tickets To Residents Who Didn’t Shovel Ice And Snow

Quote:

On one snowy stretch of 48th St. in Borough Park, Brooklyn, an inch of black ice in front of four adjacent homes yesterday sent passersby slipping and sliding.

“This is against Jewish law,” railed Meir Shalom Rosenberg, 58, after he almost fell. “By not shoveling, they are causing people to get hurt.”

Property owners have to clear ice and snow from their sidewalks within...
I absolutely agree with this law and those fines. Especially in Manhattan, and in areas in the other boroughs where people need to take routes to the subway or buses on foot. It costs the city millions of dollars a year in slip and fall lawsuits because the process of holding the homeowner/property owner liable for the injury because of negligence in maintaining the outside/public sidewalk area attached to their property is extremely complicated and time consuming. Years and years of litigation.

If you live in the Northeast, you have to assume that their will be a lot of snow. It's not a big deal. More importantly, millions of businesses pay a fortune every season to retain snow plowing contracts to ensure safe snow free/ice free walking areas/ and parking lots. They get fines in the hundreds of thousands and they can pay personal injury lawsuits. If you are elderly, you have to commission the help of someone to keep your sidewalk clear. My husband does snow plowing in New Jersey as a side business and it's been a good winter! But he has horror stories of areas where people try to walk over piles of snow at intersections and fall under parked cars. They are taking the risk to attempt to navigate through a dangerous surface, but the ultimate responsibility lies on the home/business owners, NOT THE CITY, to shovel walkways and sidewalks. You can't send a city plow down a sidewalk and you can't expect EMS to get into your home when you have three feet of snow in front of it.

If you live in the Northeast, be prepared to shovel or pay the city big time. Especially if someone gets hurt for negligence. And I agree, completely!!

Anne Marie

Actually I agree too.
If you own sidewalk, it comes with a responsibility.
If you can't do it yourself, then you should hire some kid to do it.
Waiting 5 days was plenty of time.

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 2:12 PM

if the city is paying millions why dont they pay people to shovel the snow? it would create jobs stimulating the economy and reward those willing to work. sidewalks are the cities responsability, not the home owners. the city is the one that has the rights over the sidewalks, and with the rights comes the responsability. if people are slipping and falling.....why dont they buy better shoes? when i was in the army i kept sliding down a hill before i could get to the top. i went back to my bunk and changed my shoes. made it over the hill with no problem. the city could also run the sewage popes under the side walks. i doubt people are taking cold showers so rather than the heat being wasted it would melt the snow and ice. i'm betting the residents of those high rise projects in nyc aren't required to shovel.

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 4:34 PM

Rigby5 wrote:

sidneyworld wrote:
I absolutely agree with this law and those fines. Especially in Manhattan, and in areas in the other boroughs where people need to take routes to the subway or buses on foot. It costs the city millions of dollars a year in slip and fall lawsuits because the process of holding the homeowner/property owner liable for the injury because of negligence in maintaining the outside/public sidewalk area attached to their property is extremely complicated and time consuming. Years and years of litigation.

If you live in the Northeast, you have to assume that their will be a lot of snow. It's not a big deal. More importantly, millions of businesses pay a fortune every season to retain snow plowing contracts to ensure safe snow free/ice free walking areas/ and parking lots. They get fines in the hundreds of thousands and they can pay personal injury lawsuits. If you are elderly, you have to commission the help of someone to keep your sidewalk clear. My husband does snow plowing in New Jersey as a side business and it's been a good winter! But he has horror stories of areas where people try to walk over piles of snow at intersections and fall under parked cars. They are taking the risk to attempt to navigate through a dangerous surface, but the ultimate responsibility lies on the home/business owners, NOT THE CITY, to shovel walkways and sidewalks. You can't send a city plow down a sidewalk and you can't expect EMS to get into your home when you have three feet of snow in front of it.

If you live in the Northeast, be prepared to shovel or pay the city big time. Especially if someone gets hurt for negligence. And I agree, completely!!

Anne Marie
Actually I agree too.
If you own sidewalk, it comes with a responsibility.
If you can't do it yourself, then you should hire some kid to do it.
Waiting 5 days was plenty of time.

Keep in mind that many cities own common sidewalks but mandate the responsibility of snow/ice removal to the corresponding property, such a store fronts and houses and buildings. The same holds true for keeping these common areas free of debris, garbage such as leaves, and garbage cans that cannot stay out longer for pick up than whatever is mandated by the town. Also, it's the responsibility of the owners to timely and properly report problems with sidewalks that could potentially cause injury. Whether they pay for it as well, or split the bill or the municipality covers the cost is up to the town.

Anne Marie

My Recent Posts · Feb 4 11 4:47 PM

rdo3 wrote:
if the city is paying millions why dont they pay people to shovel the snow? it would create jobs stimulating the economy and reward those willing to work. sidewalks are the cities responsability, not the home owners. the city is the one that has the rights over the sidewalks, and with the rights comes the responsability. if people are slipping and falling.....why dont they buy better shoes? when i was in the army i kept sliding down a hill before i could get to the top. i went back to my bunk and changed my shoes. made it over the hill with no problem. the city could also run the sewage popes under the side walks. i doubt people are taking cold showers so rather than the heat being wasted it would melt the snow and ice. i'm betting the residents of those high rise projects in nyc aren't required to shovel.

A couple of things here, Rdo.  You're all over the place with your comments.

New York City does actually employ thousands of homeless people to clean the streets. It's called Ready, Willing and Able that was started by R. Giuliani. A very successful endeavor which allows for positive transition of homeless folks from the streets or shelters into their own housing and means to survive on their own. These people can also be hired by private owners to do whatever handy work they might need. And they do get hired.  I've seen many on the Upper East Side hired by either the block association or individuals do to their outside landscaping.  Many work on the brownstones and they do a good job. Also, community service covers a lot areas as well who do the same thing with supervision.

As far as wearing better shoes to avoid injury, the insurance investigators have that pretty well covered and the massive survelliance in NYC of literally every block, Atrium and arena, transit stations etc. It's well covered. So if you think that people should wear good shoes, well certainly. But it won't cost the taxpayers any money if a heavy lady wears stilettos crossing Times Square in heavy traffic. lol   You gotta see this stuff to believe it!!!!

Anne Marie

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